Comments on: The Magic of Nietzsche’s Eternal Return http://bookcrazy.wordpress.com/2008/02/21/the-magic-of-nietzsches-eternal-return/ About books and more... Sat, 14 Nov 2009 15:13:05 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: nietzsche: mutluluk için iman edin » Kaan Fakılı’nın Güncesi http://bookcrazy.wordpress.com/2008/02/21/the-magic-of-nietzsches-eternal-return/#comment-1762 nietzsche: mutluluk için iman edin » Kaan Fakılı’nın Güncesi Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:18:57 +0000 http://bookcrazy.wordpress.com/?p=94#comment-1762 [...] görsel * [...] [...] görsel * [...]

]]> By: arda http://bookcrazy.wordpress.com/2008/02/21/the-magic-of-nietzsches-eternal-return/#comment-1718 arda Sat, 09 May 2009 02:31:41 +0000 http://bookcrazy.wordpress.com/?p=94#comment-1718 I love him opinion abouth woman hightly I love him opinion abouth woman hightly

]]> By: bookcrazy http://bookcrazy.wordpress.com/2008/02/21/the-magic-of-nietzsches-eternal-return/#comment-1559 bookcrazy Tue, 08 Jul 2008 04:09:57 +0000 http://bookcrazy.wordpress.com/?p=94#comment-1559 Hi Wart, Thanks for your insight which is really explains logically the genesis of the idea of eternal recurrence. Hi Wart,

Thanks for your insight which is really explains logically the genesis of the idea of eternal recurrence.

]]> By: mart wds http://bookcrazy.wordpress.com/2008/02/21/the-magic-of-nietzsches-eternal-return/#comment-1555 mart wds Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:16:17 +0000 http://bookcrazy.wordpress.com/?p=94#comment-1555 Nietzsche's conception of eternal recurrence is based upon the notion of force. Though he never explicitly mentions 'force' in 'The will to power' notebook, if you look at sections 1062, 1064, 1066 (near the back), here we have an explicit - as opposed to mythic - conception of eternal recurrence and what it actually means. For N, the world is a finite configuration of forces (ie, everything in the world, being merely an expression of force, is finite, limited, as he says 'if the world may be thought of as a certain definite quantity of force' 1066)). In contrast to this, the world is, as it were 'housed' or contained in an infinite amount of time. So, we have finite 'things' in the world (that is, expressions of force, or the basis of the will to power) that are by definition, limited which are contained in an infinite amount of time. Thus, the finite (forces, 'things' in the world) is contained in the infinite (time) - which further means that a cycle of repetition is required to 'fill up' the infinite amount of time: 'In infinite time, every possible combination would at some time or another be realised..it would be realised an infinite number of times' (1066). So eternal recurrence is the infinite recurrence of finite forces ('things'). the eternal recurrence is also, i suppose, an expression of Nietzsche's anti-platonism - ie, Nietzsche favours 'becoming' over 'being' - the eternal recurrence is the endless return of becoming, it is becoming over and over again. Nietzsche’s conception of eternal recurrence is based upon the notion of force. Though he never explicitly mentions ‘force’ in ‘The will to power’ notebook, if you look at sections 1062, 1064, 1066 (near the back), here we have an explicit – as opposed to mythic – conception of eternal recurrence and what it actually means. For N, the world is a finite configuration of forces (ie, everything in the world, being merely an expression of force, is finite, limited, as he says ‘if the world may be thought of as a certain definite quantity of force’ 1066)). In contrast to this, the world is, as it were ‘housed’ or contained in an infinite amount of time. So, we have finite ‘things’ in the world (that is, expressions of force, or the basis of the will to power) that are by definition, limited which are contained in an infinite amount of time. Thus, the finite (forces, ‘things’ in the world) is contained in the infinite (time) – which further means that a cycle of repetition is required to ‘fill up’ the infinite amount of time: ‘In infinite time, every possible combination would at some time or another be realised..it would be realised an infinite number of times’ (1066).
So eternal recurrence is the infinite recurrence of finite forces (‘things’). the eternal recurrence is also, i suppose, an expression of Nietzsche’s anti-platonism – ie, Nietzsche favours ‘becoming’ over ‘being’ – the eternal recurrence is the endless return of becoming, it is becoming over and over again.

]]> By: Fideliayi http://bookcrazy.wordpress.com/2008/02/21/the-magic-of-nietzsches-eternal-return/#comment-1414 Fideliayi Thu, 20 Mar 2008 01:48:35 +0000 http://bookcrazy.wordpress.com/?p=94#comment-1414 Cool page.., bro Cool page.., bro

]]> By: arulba http://bookcrazy.wordpress.com/2008/02/21/the-magic-of-nietzsches-eternal-return/#comment-1388 arulba Thu, 28 Feb 2008 06:25:21 +0000 http://bookcrazy.wordpress.com/?p=94#comment-1388 I remember that I had the discussion on Camus with you, but there was at least one another involved in the discussion so I wasn't sure to whom I had made the specific comment about Nietzsche. I think you have misunderstood me. I think it is clear that both Sartre and Camus were "positive about life". My primary issue with Camus isn't Camus himself, it is his use of Sisyphus which I think is "bad faith" because it is based on "slave morality". I remember that I had the discussion on Camus with you, but there was at least one another involved in the discussion so I wasn’t sure to whom I had made the specific comment about Nietzsche.

I think you have misunderstood me. I think it is clear that both Sartre and Camus were “positive about life”. My primary issue with Camus isn’t Camus himself, it is his use of Sisyphus which I think is “bad faith” because it is based on “slave morality”.

]]> By: bookcrazy http://bookcrazy.wordpress.com/2008/02/21/the-magic-of-nietzsches-eternal-return/#comment-1386 bookcrazy Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:10:57 +0000 http://bookcrazy.wordpress.com/?p=94#comment-1386 It was me, arulba, you had the discussion on Camus with. I have been waiting to reply to you but before that I needed to revisit Camus which I am doing right now. I should get back to you in a few days. Because I am convinced Camus is less rhetorical, very dry, and logical and positive about life, which you disagree with, I want to come back to you [eternal recurrence! :-)] with his own words. Look out for me! It was me, arulba, you had the discussion on Camus with. I have been waiting to reply to you but before that I needed to revisit Camus which I am doing right now. I should get back to you in a few days. Because I am convinced Camus is less rhetorical, very dry, and logical and positive about life, which you disagree with, I want to come back to you [eternal recurrence! :-) ] with his own words. Look out for me!

]]> By: arulba http://bookcrazy.wordpress.com/2008/02/21/the-magic-of-nietzsches-eternal-return/#comment-1382 arulba Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:43:55 +0000 http://bookcrazy.wordpress.com/?p=94#comment-1382 Just another thought - perhaps another idea that has to do with Eternal Recurrence is that there is no final destiny. Zorathustra's three stages are eternally recurring. In the camel stage, we are dutiful. We do as we are told, we follow the rules, we carry our load down the same old beaten path. But eventually, something happens that takes us off of that path and we find ourselves in unchartered territory. This takes us to the lion stage. We realize that we must create a new path and this requires "slaying the dragons" (the ideas that have enslaved us). Once we've slayed the dragons, we become the child - innocent again. But we don't get to stay in this innocence because eventually all the new ideas become old and we have to slay those, too. There is no final abstract utopianistic destination to be discovered. No otherworldly place we get to go to "in the end". This is it. BTW - I absolutely love what you wrote: In one stroke of the pen, Nietzsche not only made man responsible beyond time but also turned its own illusion of eternity to weigh him down to the ground. He, probably, understood too well the unbearable lightness of being. Just another thought – perhaps another idea that has to do with Eternal Recurrence is that there is no final destiny. Zorathustra’s three stages are eternally recurring. In the camel stage, we are dutiful. We do as we are told, we follow the rules, we carry our load down the same old beaten path. But eventually, something happens that takes us off of that path and we find ourselves in unchartered territory. This takes us to the lion stage. We realize that we must create a new path and this requires “slaying the dragons” (the ideas that have enslaved us). Once we’ve slayed the dragons, we become the child – innocent again. But we don’t get to stay in this innocence because eventually all the new ideas become old and we have to slay those, too. There is no final abstract utopianistic destination to be discovered. No otherworldly place we get to go to “in the end”. This is it.

BTW – I absolutely love what you wrote: In one stroke of the pen, Nietzsche not only made man responsible beyond time but also turned its own illusion of eternity to weigh him down to the ground. He, probably, understood too well the unbearable lightness of being.

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